There is another line outside this particular dialogue in which Winston asks O'Brien WHY is he destroying civilization and everything good about humankind . . . O'Brien answers simply: "POWER" . . . This is what the Democrats in America are doing today . . . And yet all factors considered America may actually vote these monsters back into power in 2020 . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1WI8BUe9Eg