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Autographs, Jokes, Mandela effect, Memes, Poetry, Politics, Short Stories and a llittle bit on cyprocurrencyFeb 2, 2019, 3:35:00 PM

The traveling mind part 2

Our interpretations of natural process are important. In one part of my Creation-FAQ, in Sections 5A-5G I ask “What can a Christian believe about evolution?” and explain why, even though evolutionary creation (i.e. theistic evolution) is not my own view, I defend its theological acceptability. Here is one reason, quoted from Section 5E of my FAQ for Creation, Evolution, and Design:

A nontheistic interpretation of neo-Darwinian science will see the process of evolution as being not designed by God, using matter not created by God, driven by only chance and selection that were not guided by God. But these claims are theological, not scientific, and a theistic interpretation of the same science can disagree by viewing the evolutionary process as being designed by God, using matter created by God, and (at least sometimes) guided by God. {Divine Guiding of Natural Process} In most fields of science — ranging from the physics of rain to the biochemistry of embryology and physiology — there are no theological criticisms of scientists who accept naturalistic theories proposing “only natural process.” A proposal for theistic evolution [evolutionary creation] just extends this acceptance into another area of science.

And a proposal for a theistic multiverse just extends our theistic interpretations of nature into one more area of science.

When a theory is criticized because it can be interpreted atheistically, this is a good starting point for an evaluation. Then, to decide whether it’s a good ending point for a conclusion that the theory must be interpreted in the way proposed by atheists, we should critically evaluate each proposed Christian interpretation (or more generally, Judeo-Christian interpretation) and ask whether it is acceptable, theologically and scientifically. If the answer is “yes, this interpretation is acceptable” and if there is no logically compelling reason to accept an atheistic interpretation, we should reject the atheistic interpretation, explaining why it is being rejected and why instead we are choosing to interpret the theory in the context of our Christian worldview. Christians should interpret a multiverse theory in ways that are acceptable to us; our views of a multiverse should not be determined by the proposals of atheists, by the interpretations they prefer.

Would a multiverse be “too much” for God to govern? ( no )

RM: “The classic picture has been that of a finite creation whose origin, existence, and fulfillment depend on the limitless power of God [who is “omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent”]. ... The creation is subordinate to God and is limited.” By contrast, “It is difficult to regard the multiverse as being anything other than a limitless creation. Adopting this viewpoint, the classic picture must be discarded, and a theological tension arises between the power of the Creator and the creation.” {146R6-146R8}

CR: Again, notice the equating of potential immensity (in a vast creation) with potential infinity (in a “limitless” creation) by ignoring Principle #1. Also, despite the common assumption that a life-allowing universe will also be life-producing, we should remember the distinction between life-allowing and life-producing and we should believe that a sovereign God decides where and when life will occur. Concerns about multiverse-duplicates assume that life will begin by natural process, because either an origin of life isn’t difficult, or any improbabilities will be overcome by immense probabilistic resources.

CR: There is no Bible-based theological reason to conclude that God can cope with a universe but not a multiverse, that a multiverse filled with life would be “too much” for a semi-omniscient God who has limited observational-and-computational abilities so He could not cope with the complexity. But even if this divine limitation does exist (and there is no biblical evidence to support this claim), if we believe that God is omnipotent, then we should believe that He could “limit His focus” by limiting life so it exists only on Earth, or only in this universe, or only in a limited number of universes, because God decides where life will (and will not) occur. Or maybe — and a humble “maybe” is all we can claim to know — God would decide to create a huge number of intelligent creatures throughout a multiverse, by using natural evolution and/or miracles.

Would a designed multiverse be a worthy way for God to create? ( yes )

RM: “In a situation where all possible outcomes are realized it is difficult to avoid a complete degeneration into absurdity. For example, the intelligibility of God reflected through a putatively elegant mathematical description of the multiverse [for a designed universe] is undermined [with a designed multiverse] by the imbecilic generation of all conceivable outcomes.” {146R9-147L1}

CR: Again, many conceivable outcomes (which might be possible) would not be “all conceivable outcomes” (this is not possible), using Rational Principle #1 about the impossibility of physical infinities.

CR: Aesthetically and theologically, I also would prefer a designed single-universe. But, as explained in Principle 2h, “a humble theist should acknowledge that if God ... understands the ‘many things’ happening, and approves, that should be sufficient for us, whether or not we understand or approve.” Therefore, we should express our personal preferences with appropriate humility, as I urge in the conclusion of my Creation-FAQ asking “What can a Christian believe about evolution?”:

In science and theology, our humility should be appropriate, not too little and not too much. We can make some claims, but not others, with confidence. ..... Instead of criticizing either possibility [if God created “with or without miracles” or, in the context of cosmology, created a universe or multiverse] as being a less worthy way for God to create, it seems wise to be humble by deciding that, either way, God’s plan for design-and-creation was wonderful and is worthy of our praise. You and I should say in public — and believe in our hearts and minds — that “IF God created using another method (differing from the way I think He created, regarding either age or evolution [or universe or multiverse]), then God is worthy of our praise.” But this humility (if... then...) is compatible with humbly explaining, using arguments from theology and science, why we think a particular view is most likely to be true.

I think Robert agrees with this, and he is simply explaining why he thinks “a particular view [with a designed-and-created universe that is not part of an immense multiverse] is most likely to be true.”

Appropriate Humility in Creation Theology

Part of my motivation for writing this page is to avoid a creation theology that is too restrictive, that goes beyond what the Bible teaches. Here are two examples. In the 1600s, some Christians (including leaders of the Roman Catholic Church) insisted that God had created a motionless earth at the center of the universe, not an earth that is orbiting the sun and is rotating once every 24 hours. In 2010, some Christians (including leaders with influence) are continuing to claim — even after hearing many explanations of why their views are not scripturally warranted or scientifically supported — that “if the Bible is true, the earth is young” so “if the earth is not young, the Bible is not true.” These two claims, about a stationary earth and a young earth, are not biblically supported so they are too restrictive, and (according to current science) they are wrong. We should avoid unnecessary restrictions on creation theology, whether the proposed restrictions are based on specific biblical passages (as with a stationary earth or young earth) or (as in Robert Mann’s opposition to a multiverse) are based on general biblical principles about the characteristics of God and His creation.

I think the Bible does not support a claim that our universe must be the only universe, that God would not create our universe as part of a multiverse so the only theologically acceptable type of creation is a single universe. The Bible seems to say nothing directly about this question, one way or the other, and current science (when this was written in April 2010) says “we don’t know for certain, and maybe we cannot know.”

We should try to avoid restrictions on creation theology unless these restrictions are necessary, based on what the Bible clearly teaches. If a claim really does contradict our Bible-based theology — as in an unscientific assertion that “according to science, divine miracles are impossible” so God could not use any miracles during the history of creation or the history of human salvation — we should challenge this claim and explain why we think it is wrong. But we should avoid “drawing a line in the sand and taking a stand” where this is not necessary. If a creation view is compatible with what is clearly taught in the Bible, this makes the view a theologically acceptable possibility for creation.

But an appropriate creation humility is compatible with humbly explaining, using arguments from theology and science, why we think a particular view is most likely to be true. And this is the goal of Robert in his paper.

Would a MULTIVERSE be compatible with SCIENTIFIC RATIONALITY? ( yes )

RM: “All possible experimental outcomes occur for a given physical system somewhere in the multiverse. Two sets of near-identical observers could measure wildly different outcomes from the same set of conditions, with one set of observers inferring quite distinct forms of scientific regularity. In what sense can we then say science is left with any predictive power? ... Indeed, since everything that can occur does occur, one is ultimately left with a reasonless explanation for any given phenomenon.” {147R9-148L3}

For this section it will be useful to review the concepts of universe-types and universe-actualizations and Rational Principle #2.

CR, quoting from my AP/MaoID: Will reliable science be impossible because scientists cannot reject a claim for any event even though it seems extremely improbable, if the event might occursomewhere else in an immense multiverse? For example, will we have to accept implausible claims for a “perpetual motion machine” that violates the probability-based Second Law of Thermodynamics? ..... No, because scientists in a multiverse would not be omnipresent super-observers; they would live in a single universe, and in every universe, whatever is most likely to happen is what is most likely to be observed. Although strange things might be happening somewhere in a multiverse, it’s extremely unlikely that strange things will be happening where you are,at the particular here-and-now location in space-and-time where you are making your observations. Therefore, in any universe-type where nature is reliable (where natural process is consistent, as in our universe) science can be based on “the best ways to bet” and it will be reliable, because scientists will not observe frequent highly improbable events (on a “tail” of a probabilistic distribution) that would threaten confidence in their science. We have no reason to think that tail-of-the-distribution events — such as perpetual motion machines (defying the Second Law) or wingless flying cows (defying gravity and aerodynamics) or everyday improbabilities such as Aunt Bertha winning 20 consecutive state lotteries — would be more probable in other universe-types with science (if they exist) compared with our universe-type. And we can imagine some events (such as wingless cows flying around the world?) so improbable that they would NEVER occur in any universe, even in an extremely immense multiverse. Our own science can continue as usual, based on our own universe-specific observations, whether or not we live in a multiverse. What about science and miracles?

RM: “If we decide to restrict science only to our observable patch, then what is the point of introducing the multiverse in the first place? One is also left with the question of how one rules out unlikely outcomes on the basis of chance. Any phenomenon contradicting known science within a patch might just as well be attributed to being in a quirky location in the multiverse. {148L2}”

CR: All actualized-universes of the same universe-type (if different types and actualizations really exist) should develop the same basic scientific principles, although in actualized-universes the differences in initial conditions would lead to different details in their histories of nature, and differences in worldviews-and-culture would produce some variability in the formulations of these principles. But if more than one universe-type has intelligent beings and science, each distinct universe-type will have different scientific principles. {quoted from AP/MaoID}

As explained above, we can “restrict science only to our observable patch.” It’s not necessary for us to develop a generalized multiverse-science that could explain phenomena everywhere in a multiverse (*) because we can only observe what is happening in our universe, in “our observable patch” where the properties of nature are consistent. Therefore, I don’t understand why Mann is protesting against this localized universe-science by asking “what is the point of introducing the multiverse in the first place?” But in addition to developing our localized universe-science, some areas of science (e.g. string theory and multiverse cosmology) could try to develop a “bigger picture” science whose goal is an overall perspective, in the context of multiverse cosmology, on what is happening both inside and outside our universe. But this is different than trying to imagine what science would be like for a universe with nature-properties that differ from our own nature-properties; while this might be possible, it is not necessary.

And phenomena that contradict science could not be attributed to a “quirky location” because, as explained above, we are not omnipresent super-observers so “our own science can continue as usual, based on our own universe-specific observations, whether or not we live in a multiverse.”

* In the most popular models of a multiverse, the properties of nature are different in each universe-type (with perhaps 10500 type-variations?) so the science developed in one universe would not be correct in a universe of a different type, re: the results of science. And re: the process of science, developing a generalized multiverse-science would be very complicated and difficult, maybe impossible, because it would be purely theoretical with no empirical foundation using data from other universe-types. But for practical functionality a generalized multiverse-science (that describes the properties of nature in 10500 universe-types, plus their universe-actualizations that have differing initial conditions) would not be necessary; instead, a localized universe-science (including multiverse cosmology) would be sufficient, and it is a worthy goal.

A Change in Science: Although in the excerpts above this is not Mann’s concern (re: changes in scientific rationality), one actual change in science is the fact that scientists are now thinking, talking, and writing about a multiverse. Current cosmology is much different now than it was in the 1960s before scientists began developing their sophisticated theories about big bang inflation, string theory, and multiple universes. But there is a difference between human theories and the physical realities that may or may not match our theories. For example, the physical reality of actual orbits did not change between 1500 (when most scientists thought “planets orbit the earth”) and 1700 (when most scientists thought “planets, including earth, orbit the sun”). In this case the new theory was correct, but in other cases a theory is incorrect, as in the 1800s when a theory about luminiferous ether proposed that space is filled with an ether which serves as a medium for the transmission of light waves, and their theory was wrong. Currently it seems that “the jury is still out” on the new cosmological theories, so appropriate humility is justified.

Multiverse Theory — Is it scientific?

Some scientists (and nonscientists) claim that a multiverse theory is not scientific. These claims, made by theists and non-theists, are motivated by wanting to uphold the integrity of science. For some people, but not others, another motive is a desire to defend claims for a designing of nature. Quoting from my AP/MaoID page:

Currently there is no direct observational evidence for a multiverse. But according to most multiverse theories, other universes are in a different space-time framework so in principle they cannot be observed, or they are very far away so in practice they are unobservable. Therefore, the fact that we do not observe any other universe does not count as scientific evidence against theories proposing the existence of many other universes.

Because empirical testing is the foundation of scientific method, but multiverse theories cannot be empirically tested using direct observational evidence, many scientists and philosophers (both theists & non-theists) claim that untestable multiverse theories are philosophical speculations rather than authentically scientific theories.

But could we find indirect observational evidence? The logical foundation of modern science is hypothetico-deductive logic, which permits a theory to propose unobservable entities if these help the theory explain observable outcomes. This is why modern scientific theories proposing the existence of unobservable electrons (in chemistry) and ideas (in psychology) are widely accepted, because these theories — which propose that unobservable causes (electrons and ideas) help to produce the effects we observe — are the most satisfactory explanations for our observations. {Science and Unobservables - The Demise of Positivism}

Why could the if-then logic of hypothetico-deductive reasoning make more people consider a multiverse theory to be more acceptable as being authentically “scientific” ? We’ll look at the if-and-if-then reasoning for a specific type of multiverse theory: [IOU - I’ll finish this paragraph soon, probably late-night February 6] IF some scientists think that probably String Theory (M-theory) is true and/or scientifically useful, and IF String Theory seems to offer a good explanation for the cosmological inflation we do observe, and IF in these situations many universes (to form a multiverse) would be produced, THEN a multiverse seems probable. [should this be if-if-if-then, or if-if-then?] / the paragraph is very rough from here onward (based on this application of String Theory to inflationary situation) combo of M-theory plus multiverse is useful in hypothetico-deductive logic, and if a combination of “M-theory plus inflation” makes a multiverse possible (or even probable) as a cause and/or effect, this would provide indirect observational evidence for a multiverse.

Science and Miracles

Some people think that science would be impossible if miracles can occur. Although in some ways miracle questions are similar to the multiverse questions examined above, they differ in a very important way. By contrast with a multiverse and its imaginary non-problems, miracles could potentially be an actual problem that would provide a practical reason for us to lose confidence in the reliability of science. In reality, however, this potential problem is not an actual problem for everyday science, because (quoting from my page explaining why claims for inherent conflict between science and religion are exaggerated) “although science would be impossible if we lived in a world with constant ‘Alice in Wonderland’ surprises and no reliable cause-effect relationships, if despite occasional miracles the universe usually operates according to normal natural patterns, science will be possible and useful.”

Should scientists distinguish between Imaginative Speculation and Physical Reality? ( yes, we agree )

RM: “The question [for science, philosophy, and theology] is whether all that exists is equivalent to all that is possible. ... A given multiverse theory posits some kind of universe-generating mechanism, and then argues the case for the special features of our universe [being produced naturally without design due to “beating the odds” with a huge number of universes] by contending that the mechanism does generate whatever it can generate... [so] whatever can exist, does exist. ... Is it credible to believe that God created everything [that we can imaginatively propose]? Does God create (by whatever means) whatever can be created, or does the Creator make particular choices? ... What line should be drawn between the possible and the existent? ... These questions cannot be decided by observation and experiment, in that the multiverse paradigm — by definition — asserts that all that exists extends well beyond the capacity of observation. ... It is also far from clear that these questions can be settled by mathematical self-consistency arguments, though there is much effort being expended in this direction. ... Are there theological criteria for drawing a line, even tentatively, between the possible and the existent? If so, what are they? If not, can theology have anything useful to say about the multiverse?” {145R8-146R4}

CR: Agreeing with Robert, I also think we should be asking these questions.

A Summary:

Would a multiverse be scientifically uncontrollable and theologically lethal? ( no )

RM: “The multiverse approach is a conceptual Pandora’s box: once you get started on the idea, it is not clear how or where to stop. Scientifically it can run out of control, and it can be theologically lethal.” {145R7}

CR: A multiverse will not seem to be scientifically uncontrollable or theologically lethal if we remember four rational principles: 1 (many things are not everything, because immensity is not infinity); 2 (we are not omnipresent super-observers, we see only what is here-and-now); 2h (if it’s OK with God, it’s ok with me); 3 (just relax, God is in control). Yes, the concept of a multiverse is difficult to understand or even imagine, especially for people who don’t have a scientific background, but we should not exaggerate the weirdness by accepting atheistic multiverse-interpretations that deny the existence and power of God. As explained above (Humility in Creation Theology), we should “avoid a creation theology that is too restrictive, that goes beyond what the Bible teaches.”

RM: Listing miscellaneous potential problems with a multiverse, “further examples [in addition to the duplication dilemma] include problems with scientific elegance, empirical testability, spontaneous creation, unbounded evil, purpose, and free will.” {148R9}

CR: I don’t think these are actual theological problems, for reasons explained earlier. Here are brief comments about where these issues are addressed: scientific elegance and empirical testability (is a multiverse theory scientific? I think Robert will agree that good pro-and-con arguments can be made; to see some of these, and my conclusion that we should be patient and learn what we can rather than prematurely labeling multiverse proposals as non-science so we can ignore them, search for “elegance” and “testing” in my page about The Anthropic Principle: Multiverse and/or Design); unbounded evil, purpose, and free will (these are no more problematic in a multiverse than in a universe; see Principles 3, 2h, and 2, respectively, and their applications for the duplication dilemma & worries that we are not unique); spontaneous creation (I’m not sure what this means, but I think it’s about many universes being created “automatically” due to the cosmological physics, which does make me a little uneasy because I prefer the idea of God creating each world individually for a purpose, but if God created our world by using a multiverse that’s fine with me, as in the humility of Principle 2h; I don’t think Robert is asking about creating massive amounts of mass-energy in many gigantic universes because he is an expert physicist and evidently he and his fellow physicists are satisfied that this is possible, or about creating life - which is discussed in Principle 3 above and Part 2 below).

RM: Mann wonders whether “the multiverse paradigm is scientifically beneficial... [or] can be reconciled with any reasonable form of Christian theology. A far more critical analysis from scientific, philosophical, and theological perspectives needs to be applied in examining the multiverse paradigm.” {149L2}

CR: I agree. These questions — about fine tuning and intelligent design, universe and multiverse, regarding science, philosophy, and theology — are important, so they should be carefully examined and thoughtfully discussed. I hope this page makes a useful contribution to our collective logical evaluations.

TO their shame and none belief I point to these answers see how many of them changed per your recollection each change means you are not from this universe. Hyperlink http://mandelaeffect.com/major-memories/ if you are interested.

51 or 52 United States — (Not Puerto Rico, which is a territory, or DC, which is a district.)

Berenstain Bears or Berenstein Bears – Which do you recall? (Still one of the most popular topics at this website.)

Billy Graham’s funeral on TV. As of January 2016, he’s still alive.

Challenger shuttle explosion date? 1984, 1985, or 1986? Winter or another time of year? (PerWikipedia, it was 28 Jan 1986.) Also, alternate memories about the Columbia.

Colors – Chartreuse and more – Many people recall chartreuse as a pink or reddish color. It’s actually yellow-green.

Curious George – Tail or no tail? (He’s never had a tail.) This is part of my article about dual memories.

Ghost Hunters TV show — Some remember the earliest show name as TAPS, not Ghost Hunters.(Yes, we know the real-life team is called TAPS, and some of their gear has always said that.)

Henry VIII portrait with a turkey leg in his hand — Many people clearly recall seeing it in history books, but there’s no record of it, now.

Jif or Jiffy Peanut Butter – Jif peanut butter was never called “Jiffy,” in this timestream. (Not confused with Skippy brand, either.)

Lindbergh baby – Never found? In this timestream, the 20-month old baby was found 12 May 1932.

Mother Teresa – A saint before 2016? Several recall her canonization in the 1990s. They also recall her name spelled “Theresa.”

Nelson Mandela’s death in prison, long before his actual death (in this timestream) on 5 December 2013.

New Zealand’s location, relative to Australia.

Red/blue – Pepsi logo changes, Chevron logo changes, and other color swaps… are they markers, cues, or signs to watch for?

September 22nd or 23rd? – Some people recall events shifting from one of these dates to another. (The reaction to this article — on- and off-site — has been disproportionate to its apparent minor importance.)

Sky – Changes in the sun, moon, stars, planets and their moons, constellation configurations and placement, and the color of the sky in general.

Tiananmen Square – Memories of a young man being run over by a tank. (Might be Mandela Effect issue or simple media manipulation.)

ADDITIONAL REPORTED MEMORIES

Bold links will take you to articles on this website. All other links will take you off-site.

More celebrities

Agatha Christie – Never found after her 1926 disappearance? (In this timestream, she turned up 10 days later, but never explained. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie#Disappearance ) [Comments link 1 – link 2 – link 3.]

Barbara or Barbra Streisand? In this reality, it’s Barbra. (“Barbara” is a common typo, but doesn’t explain all the alternate memories. Many people listed the alternative “Barbara” as one of several memories they have. Individual comment links include this, this, this, and this.)

Betty White – Alive, well, and still feisty at age 93 in March 2015. Some recall her passing.

Brian Dennehy – Alive and well, per Wikipedia, but a few of us have other memories.

Charles Schulz or Schultz? (Creator of Peanuts comics and TV shows including Charlie Brown, Lucy, Snoopy, etc.) The correct spelling in this timestream is Schulz. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_M._Schulz )

Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer – Several people have (privately) reported a memory of his recent death. Wikipedia says still alive.

Coen brothers or Cohen brothers? – American film producers & screenwriters. Note: Different from producers John Cohen (“Ice Age,” “Despicable Me,” etc.), Rob Cohen (“The Mummy,” “The Fast and the Furious,” etc.), and Charles S. Cohen (“Frozen River.”) Not the musicians, either.Comment link.

David Soul – As of October 2015, he’s still alive, healthy, and starring in new productions.

Dick Clark’s death… at least two of them. (Per Wikipedia, he died in April 2012.)

Dick Van Patten – Died prior to his June 2015 death in this timestream?

Dom DeLuise’s death. He died in 2009, but that’s not the only memory people have. 10 related comments, some at Comments 2.

Don Rickles – Still alive in Oct 2015 (per Wikipedia) although some recall his earlier demise.

Ernest Borgnine, death reported years before it happened in 2012.

Forrest J. Ackerman – Died in 2008 in this timeline (per Wikipedia), but others recall alternate, earlier death dates.

Fred Rogers (aka Mister Rogers) – Died in 2003, or later?

Freddie Prinze — Several memories, mostly related to Freddie, Junior, and Sarah Michelle Gellar, and a child born around 2003 or 2004.

Hal Holbrook – Born 1925, and still alive in January 2015. His late wife, Dixie Carter, passed away in 2010. Several remember Mr. Holbrook’s own death & memorials prior to 2010.

Helen Thomas (1920 – 2013), former White House reporter – Some recall an alternate date when she passed.

Henry Ford – Died from cerebral hemorrhage or something else?

Houston family (Whitney’s) – Conflicting memories about her children, after Whitney’s death, but before Bobbi Kristina’s 2015 tragic death.

Jack Palance — An earlier death date than what’s in the current timestream.

Jayne Meadows Allen — Died 2015 or much earlier? (She was an actress, and widow of comedian Steve Allen.)

Jerry Lewis – Remembered death late in 2013 or early 2014. Still alive in Oct 2014. (Different from Jerry Lee Lewis, the colorful singer/songwriter.)

Jim Henson – Died of complications from a strep infection, or from cancer? (In this timestream, initially reported as walking pneumonia. Seehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Henson#Illness_and_death )

Jimmy Swaggart — Report dead, but still alive as of July 2012.

John Denver’s death — When and where? In this reality, 12 Oct 1997 near Monterrey Bay, California.

John Lennon — Date of death is 8 Dec 1980, but some have clear memories of a different date.

John Lennon & Yoko Ono – The location of 1969 “bed-in for peace.” (If you remember this, note the location before checking Wikipedia for the details.)

Jon Bon Jovi – Some recall a startling, mid-1990s lifestyle announcement.

Kathie Lee Gifford or Kathy Lee Gifford? In this reality, it’s always been “Kathie.”

Katy Perry – Memories of her using the name Kate, not Katy.

Leonard DiCaprio – Won an Oscar before 2016? Some recall earlier nominations and awards, as well as his 2016 acceptance speech, but years earlier.

Li Qi – Chinese comedian with a reported death, still alive in early 2014.

Louie Anderson – Alive and well now, but his death (and therefore cancellation of his TV show) at some point in the past. (Not confused with John Candy and other comedians.)

Muhammad Ali – 2009 death? Still alive (early 2015) per Wikipedia.

Neil Armstrong died in 2013, not 2012? Also, some are sure he made a ‘Mr. Gorsky’ reference during his lunar voyage. (Latter debunked in this timestream by Snopes, but does anyone actually recall hearing it?)

Patrick Swayze, his full recovery reported after his tragic death in this reality.

Peter Fonda – He’s still alive. (Not confusing him with his dad, actor Henry Fonda, who died in 1982.)

Peter Townsend or Peter Townshend — Spelling change? (One is a singer-songwriter for The Who. The other is an American drummer.)

Reba McIntyre or Reba McEntire? – Decide how you remember it before visiting her official website or Wikipedia to see the real spelling.

Richard Chamberlain – Did not die in the 1990s. Still alive (as of Oct 2015), and – related memory – James Franciscus was not his brother.

Robert Crumb — Death reported, 1990s. Still alive (July 2015). Artist responsible for Fritz the Catand the iconic Keep on Truckin’ graphic, etc.

Robert Stack — Earlier death reports.

Rod Serling or Rod Sterling? Some recall the latter spelling, not as a typo.

Rodney King – Some have alternate memories of his death, including one during the infamous incident in 1991.

Shirley Temple — Some recall her death long prior to 10 Feb 2014.

Sinbad – Did he ever play a genie in a major movie? Did he ever play a genie, full stop?

Terry Pratchett – According to some, he died shortly after the announcement of his illness (2013), instead of March 2015.

Will Smith and Jada Pinkett – Divorced ~10 years ago? (2015: Still listed as a happy couple. He divorced a previous wife in 1995.)

William Daniels (actor) – Did not die in the early 2000s. Still alive (

Yogi Berra (athlete) – Died 22 Sep 2015, but some recall an earlier death.

More events… when and where?

9/11 – Did it happen on 9/11, as most people remember, or on 9/10, as some recall?

Thanksgiving (USA) – The third or the fourth Thursday in November? (Since 1941, it’s always on the fourth Thursday.)

Weather – Hurricane Katrina: April or August 2005, or another year altogether?

Writers’ strike in Hollywood – 2007-2008 or some other year (21st century only)?

More geography

Geography — Locations and sizes of New Zealand. Locations of Australia, Honduras, Japan, Manchuria, and more.

Adam’s Bridge (also Ram Setu, Rama Setu, Setubandhanam, and other names) – Some recall it fully above sea level in the mid-late 20th century, while historical records (in this timestream) say it was partially submerged — due to a cyclone — in the late 15th century. (ref:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%27s_Bridge )

Alaska – Coastline radically different.

Arctica – Hasn’t existed for a very long time.

Japan – Where do you recall it, in relation to China?

Korea – N. Korea borders Russia? That’s what maps show.

Madagascar – Location and general geography. Not just a map issue.

Mongolia – Part of China or a separate country? And where is/was it?

Sri Lanka location, due south of India, not southeast. (Also see ancient maps at this article about geography changes, in general.)

Wales – East or west of England and Scotland? (It’s west. From London, take the M25 west to the M4, and follow the M4 into Wales.)

More media (TV, films, books, magazines)

Big (the movie) – Alternate ending. (Not confused with 13 Going on 30.)

The Candidate, or The Campaign — One movie, one and a remake, two movies, or now three… and did the title change? (Solved, maybe: See the related HuffPost page. Compare the article title and the inset video clip title.)

Carmen Sandiego (“Where in the World Is…”) – Some recall a yellow trench coat, long before the red one. Comment link.

Cinderella – Some recall an alternate central character or characters.

Cruella DeVille or De Vil? – It’s the latter, in this Disney’s 101 Dalmatians movie reference. [See comment.]

Different Strokes or Diff’rent Strokes? – It’s the latter, though many recall otherwise and some TV listings support that.

Duggars – Was the show (briefly) “21 Kids and Counting”?

Forrest Gump – Was the most famous line “Life IS like a box of chocolates…” or “Life WAS like a box of chocolates…”? In this reality, it’s the latter. (However, both lines were used in connection with the movie, so this isn’t necessarily a Mandela Effect.)

Fred Rogers’ song, “Won’t You Be My Neighbor” – Some recall “It’s a beautiful day in theneighborhood.” In this reality, it’s “It’s a beautiful day in this neighborhood.”? (Seehttp://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/music/songs/wont_you_be_my_neighbor.html andhttps://youtu.be/zMUGJZrR9Jg.)

Gremlins character (movie) – Spike or Stripe? The only reliable sources say it was always Stripe, not Spike.

Hand gestures in movies – Do you recall different hand gestures in movies? For example, a more elaborate hand gesture by Antonio Banderas, with a candle, in Interview with the Vampire? Seethe YouTube clip from the movie, around the 2:03 point. I’m looking for very specific descriptions of the alternate gesture.

Independence Day (movie) — Characters now missing from a major scene? (This has been reported privately, twice, and we’re looking for confirmation from others.)

Interview with a Vampire, or Interview with the Vampire – Actually, both titles were used on published book, in this reality. So, this isn’t a clear Mandela Effect issue.

It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, and related topics – Did the Great Pumpkin appear near the end of the holiday special, or was it just Snoopy’s shadow? Was the cartoonist Charles Schultz or Charles Schulz? (In both cases, it was the latter in this reality.)

Jurassic Park – Original movie: Some recall a now-missing scene.

Justice League – Check the characters you’re remembering and see if one is missing.

K-PAX (movie) – Starred Kevin Spacey or Nicholas Cage? (In this timestream, it’s Spacey.)

Looney Tunes or Looney Toons? – Several conflicting memories.

Married with Children – Some recall one character played by two different actors.

M.A.S.H. (TV series) – Some recall the in-series death of Walter “Radar” O’Reilly. However, that wasn’t part of the story in this timestream.

Mirror, Mirror – In “Snow White,” did the evil queen say “Mirror, mirror…” or “Magic mirror…”? (In Disney’s Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, the Queen says, “Magic mirror.”)

Mystery Science Theater — Variations of the numbers following show name (mostly 2000 or 3000, but a few recall 4000).

Sex and the City – Some are sure it was “Sex in the City” when it first aired.

Star Trek memories, including: Chakotay character killed, then returns — several episodes later — without much explanation. (I’ve talked about this — in person — with Robert Beltran, who played the character. He’s sure that version was never written or filmed.)

Star Wars – Was the iconic line “Luke, I am your father” or “No, I am your father”? Also a missing scene. (Not just “deleted.”)

Terminator (and other movie) variations, “remembered” before the deleted scenes were available on DVD. Alternate late scenes and endings reported, as well.

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? (movie) – Different ending after initial release? Different title?

X-Men – Some reports of alternate abilities for Professor X.

Movies remembered before they were released

The following movies have been “remembered” by people, months or years before each movie was actually released. When each person saw the film he or she reported, it was like deja vu. (Year noted is when the film was released in this reality.)

Flushed Away (2006)

More news reports

Twins… that aren’t – Reports of people who look exactly like someone’s twin (not just “somewhat like”) but aren’t actually twins. Different from doppelgangers, and more like the same physical design appearing again. Two alternates temporarily in the same reality…? (See this comment and thread for more.)

Whitey Bulger — Alleged Boston (MA, USA) gangster, did not die in 2013, in this reality. He’s still alive (as of August 2014).

More politics and political leaders

Abraham Lincoln – Alternate death. Alternate death date of son, Tad, as well.

Fidel Castro – Still alive (per Wikipedia in early 2016), but some recall a 2011 death.

Martin Luther King, Jr. — Shot with a handgun, at close range, or another cause of death?

Muammar Gaddafi — Some death memories from years before he was killed (in this timestream), and a couple of memories of him fleeing his country.

Mussolini – Looks different in recent historical photos. Not just different photos from what are in older news articles and textbooks, but a different man.

Osama bin Laden – Death reported in 2001 in the Middle East and elsewhere, with obituaries.

Ronald Reagan — Varying memories about when he was president, and when and how he died.

More pop culture

Brian Williams’ memories – A high-profile example of Mandela Effect, a blunder, or something else?

Gaming – Alternate Versions…? Several reports related to different games, online and off.

Life cereal commercial (1970s) – Did Mikey like everything, eat everything (or “eats anything”), orhate everything? (In this reality, it was “he hates everything.”) See Comment thread.

Music – lyrics, tracks, videos, and more – All music-related topics are discussed at this article.

Sara Lee products slogan/jingle – Some recall “Nobody doesn’t like Sara Lee,” (1960s’ commercial: https://youtu.be/Iirw147LHkQ ) but others recall it as “Nobody does it like Sara Lee.” And, they’re clear that they didn’t just mis-hear it.

Volvo car symbol (the badge/icon/logo on the car)… Some recall a major change.

Spelling (names)

Berenstein – Berenstain (Bears books, etc.)

Dettol – Dettox (cleaning products)

Febreeze – Febreze

Fruit Loops – Froot Loops (breakfast cereal)

Jiffy – Jif (peanut butter)

Kathy Lee Gifford – Kathie Lee Gifford (entertainer)

Kate Perry – Katy Perry (entertainer)

Liason – Liaison

Looney Tunes or Looney Toons

MacDonald’s – McDonald’s (restaurant)

Oscar Meyer or Oscar Mayer? – Processed meat products’ brand name. (See comments.)

Pete Townsend – Pete Townshend (drummer for The Who)

Reba McIntyre – Reba McEntire (entertainer)

Sketchers – Skechers (footwear brand name – It’s Skechers in this reality.)

Western Sizzler – Western Sizzlin – Name in this timestream is Western Sizzlin (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sizzlin%27 ). Even FB pages lists Western Sizzler (ref: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Western-Sizzler-Auburn-Alabama/183908811678962 ).

(In every case, the latter spelling is correct in this reality.)

More spelling (dictionary)

Definitely or definately? Apparently, it’s the most misspelled word in the English language, but where did “definately” come from and why do people remember being taught that spelling in school…?

Dilemma or dilemna? A lot of people seem to recall the latter (the version with an N), but — in this timestream — it looks like that was never the correct spelling.

Other topics

Disney theme parks

Disney World – Some people remember entering the Magic Kingdom through the castle. A second, alternate memory: Everything else matched the current timestream, but the castle was much closer to the end of Main Street. (At Disney World, not Disneyland.)

Disney World – Some people recall taking a monorail from the Orlando airport directly to the Disney World property. The Orlando airport has a train, not a monorail, and it doesn’t take people to Disney World.

Disney World – A separate theme park in the Orlando (Florida) area. Maybe intended as a beta test site for attraction concepts? It’s not an abandoned park or project, and it’s much smaller (in acreage) than the main WDW property. Two main areas: (1) The theme park, and (2) one crescent-shaped building with shops and restaurants, plus one larger hotel on the other side of it. Generally, the theme park attractions are multi-level. (Note: Not confused with Universal Studios’ theme parks.)

Mars – No moons or two moons?

Segway – Available in beta around 1996? (No. The company was started in 1999, and the product was in pre-production, limited release in 2002. Ref.)

so they took down the site.. humor.. my own reality is such

South America is below North America ie Santiago Chile is a 11 to 9.5 hour flight to San Fransico.

Penelope is the princess in Wreck it Ralph.

Bernard is the Captain in Grimm television program.

Japan is south of South Korea there is no Japan Sea

New Zealand is north of Australia and one island not two.

La Paz, Bolivia is at 73 degrees year round no snow not cold ever.

Abe Lincoln is a senator not representative. ie for those conspiracy theorist Kennndy was a senator so was Lincoln.

There was no Montauk project in my world. No ITT company. China Motor was not used in Bolivia due to their engines not working well.

Obama visited Vietnam to apologies for the Vietnam war. Obama apologies to the Japanese for US dropping the Atom bomb.

Question: “Why is God going to send a strong delusion in the end times?”

Answer: The Bible makes it clear why God is sending a strong delusion in the end times: “They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness” (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12). Simply put, God sends a strong delusion to those who chose not to believe the gospel of Christ. Those who take delight in mocking and rejecting Him, He will condemn.

It is man’s choice whether to accept and believe the truth of Jesus Christ as presented in the Scriptures. To receive the truth and the love God offers is in keeping with its teachings, “This is love for God: to obey His commands” (1 John 5:3). Conversely, to know the truth and not obey it is to face the wrath of God: “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness” (Romans 1:18). Frankly speaking, there is no more dangerous condition for man than to know the truth and refuse to obey it. To do so is to harden the heart and make God’s condemnation sure.

When one knows the truth and refuses to obey it, he is subject to any lie, any deception, any untruth that man can conjure up. “For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:21-22). Paul goes on in the next few verses to describe the mindset and behaviors of those who disbelieve (see Romans 1:29-31). As a result of man’s foolishness and his arrogant disdain of the things of God, “God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done” (Romans 1:28). And correspondingly, “Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things, but also approve of those who practice them” (Romans 1:32).

Isaiah puts it succinctly: “They have chosen their own ways, and their souls delight in their abominations; so I [God] also will choose harsh treatment for them and bring upon them what they dread. For when I called, no one answered, when I spoke, no one listened. They did evil in My sight and chose what displeases Me” (Isaiah 66:3-4).

When men know the truth and refuse to receive it, when they refuse to obey it and hold it in unrighteousness, “they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:12 NLT).

“God is love” (1 John 4:16). He is not some cruel monster who deliberately and inwardly delights in preparing people for everlasting condemnation. But He earnestly and lovingly proclaims the gospel of Christ, “not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9).

Throughout the Scriptures, God urges people to accept the truth. But when people reject Him and spurn His message, then—and not until then—God hardens them and turns them over to a deluded mind to wallow in their wickedness to their eternal damnation. This is what the Lord says about those who choose to reject the truth: “They greatly love to wander; they do not restrain their feet. So the Lord does not accept them; He will now remember their wickedness and punish them for their sins” (Jeremiah 14:10).

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CLINTON SIEGLE·SATURDAY, JULY 30, 20161 Read

Todays parade. I am hoping for another one to judge what I saw. First off I love to dance. there were no old people dancing and the young people did not dance. I am not sure which is more disappointing expecting fun or realizing this is the spirit in this universe and wondering if money has eaten their soul or if they are just out of tune with music or if someone Windfinders or something is killing off old people. I am not sure what I saw. If I was with a friend I would be swearing. The drinking was less, the dancing less, and instead of midnight the whole thing got over at 740 PM. What type of parade is that. Forgive my complaining but I get out of my room not that often and to be excited about something and have it go from a A minus last year to a C at most a B minus this year. Dear travel agency of the multiverse not complaining much just some small details were missing. Little kids playing in the street, dancing, music to dance to, drinking that made friendships, I am not much of a partier but I think you have done something with the human soul and not complaining just pointing out that something better exists and you could do better. yes you have more money, yes bigger houses, yes the women are more pretty at points. No this is not my world, thank you for playing but I need something more.

On May 20th , 2016 New a few months away My mind was awoken o a new world of imaginations and wildest dreaming possibilitie...

CLINTON SIEGLE·MONDAY, JULY 25, 2016

On May 20th , 2016 New a few months away My mind was awoken o a new world of imaginations and wildest dreaming possibilities A world of mutlivere was opened up to me you might say that is a dream I say it is more than a dream I have seen fresh skies my friend I have seen BREXIST US leave and BRESICT and UK stay I have seen a mountain move I have seen the convenient change I have seen countries change Yes we live in a mutliverse each turn we make is duplicated I thought I was an outliner A one plus something in a trillion multiverse on different earths only to discover my life has repeated over and over again Teh meaning is several new questions The first of course if I turn right or left which universe is it that I live in Is there a deity or just a being with higher technology Is there meaning in life for if everything is done twice or more what is the purpose for Then I asked a simple question and realization hit me like a drunk hitting the floor IT everything under the sun has been done That means all scary tales are true All stories are rue Someplace near you is the mutliverse are vampires Somplace out there is aliens someplace out there AI has taken over the nuclear grid Somepace out there are super heros A smidgen away is a bullet to the greatest adventure you will ever have for if the rainbow found by CERN accidentally indicates we are not alone Not even in our thoughts and dreams For I bet that there is another me typing this exact same poem In another dream That is the purpose of the multiverse to see to reason to realize that you are not alone you have a purpose you may not have a home you are traveler on a adventure come follow me for this is not my home

tale

CLINTON SIEGLE·FRIDAY, JULY 1, 2016

The dragon egg was being warmed too the touch. The raven was waiting by the window when a ghost appeared from fae world. The end is near calling or crowing the end is coming near. Watch what you want. Be careful for the world is coming to an end. There are those that believe in seven cycles the Jews, there are those that believe the second woman made for Adam was queen of the fae.. There are those that believe this is the third cycle of life here on earth and it shall recover and start again four more times.. There are those that believe this is the last of the seventh cycle of phase- and there will be a great change to end the cycles.. The raven knows a secret this life is meaningless unless the soul finds the place its energy is suppose to power. For those lucky few that know or suspect what to do.. to tell the tale correctly a warm hot chocolate is needed. The tale is old beyond years untold. But for those creators - it was but a day or specifically 14 or 5 days ago depending on times and ages believed in. There is nothing new under the sun. This is but a life energy equates to something worth spending.. so the question back to the dragon egg what does that have to do with an egg.. or for that matter a beginning of a new age. Once upon a time there was a ghostly tale or therein... May 20th 2016 a person let us just call him the author of this story awoke with a yell. His thoughts coming into his head was what was the matter with this person. Yelling is not what I do nor what I expect of other people to do. The day carried on in a different tone then normal. Accompanying his mother in law to the hospital he noticed several things had changed. There was a paper wall divider added the size of a whole wall and for some extradonary reason there were people in the wing and lines to a window that had appeared out of no where that he could recall having visited the hospital several times prior to this trip. His mind was not into much more thinking at that time because he had gotten some cookies. The first cookies in a while. People are strange. Instead of marvaling at being thrown into a new universe the author was happy to eat cookies and patiently awaiting his mother in law to come back. You see sometimes noticing things and realizing things are two different senses. Happiness for cookies however is something he could hold onto tanglibily and did with happiness. Upon his mother in law returning we went outside for a taxi. Now here is the strange of it. We argued with three taxis until the fourth one. The author not being involved with the first three arguements asked what the issue was. The taxis wanted 15 BS instead of 10 BS. The new mother inlaw remembered 10 BS and was a very nonsensical woman who was not taking any of the raising the prices... Upon getting out of the taxi the author realized something strange the US embassy was totally different. The window once wide with the show of we are strong were now narrow like gun ports where one would expect archers to being hiding behind. The author just shock his head and entered his appointment not thinking much.. DO SOMETHING instead copy and paste this into your senators facebook page ″ Senator Warren requesting you remove Senator McConnell.. Senator McConnel said recently that the two biggest threats to our national debt are Medicare and Social security. He said that these programs must be cut in order to get a handle on our debt. I assume that you have passed a high school civics class at some point If so you will recall that BOTH of these programs are funded 100% by FICA dedcuctions from paychecks and thus have absolutely ZERO to do with the national debt. SO follow me here IF yo donot know this then you are apparently VASTLY under-qualified to hold office and should resign. However if you do know it, well then you are a liar. Which is it Mitch? STOP funding war and pay the debt.. shame on you for scaring those in need. http://www.pewresearch.org/.../5-fa... NOT ONE dime is being spent from the national debt.. SHAME ON YOU.. Think before thinking becomes illegal.. shame on democrats for declaring war WARMONGERS VOTE DEMOCRAT Who started WWI? Not Muslims . Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924) Democrat 1913-1921 - campaigned against the war one month later declared war due to ammunition transport with civilians being blown up after warnings. - Who started WWII? Not Muslims Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882-1945) Democrat 1933-1945 - campaigned against the war - but opening caused the war with japan per policy of democrats 1940https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?... - Who got us into Vietnam over flat out lies particularly the Gulf of Tonkin which never happened? Not Muslims Lyndon Johnson Lyndon Baines Johnson (1908-1973) Democrat 1963-1969 the incident never happened - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_... Who got us into or has continued to bomb Libya bombed murdered leader Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Egypt imprisoned leader/murdered citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Syria bombed and attempt murder leader Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Somalia bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Pakistan bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Afghanistan bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Philippines bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Yemen bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Iraqi bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Hilary will continue these policies no to Hillary Hillary voted for a 6 trillion dollar war to lose to ISIS. She cost each tax payer in the US 50,000 dollars..Hillary as head of state lost 6 billion dollars..Hillary as head of state vetted ISIS and gave them 1.3 billion dollars.If a portion of that even 1 percent was spent on the environment instead of war would be far better off..

change

CLINTON SIEGLE·SATURDAY, JULY 30, 20168 Reads

Creation Simulator or how D wave quantum computer is allowing a person to travel across the multiverse. To begin with my name is Clinton Siegle and yes, I am disabled and living in La Paz, Bolivia. My story starts like most days being human. Waking up and doing exactly the identicle thing in the equivalent location with the same people. That is up until May 20th, 2016. I was awoken with yelling from a woman that sounded like my wife. If you do not understand the significance, it might help if I explain to you rules of my life. You do not lie nor yell at me. I am me inside my mind and never will I yell at you and I expect the same. I got to shower and was dressing when the first change struck. My socks which are a diabetic sock confine you would buy and use for hunting socks were straight dress socks. I asked my wife. When did I get new socks. She said never and that these were my normal socks. I kind of shrugged off what was happening and went to look like a pair that would keep me warm. All my socks that I knew were gone. In their place were dress socks. That was the start of an interesting day. I was to accompany my mother in law to cancer treatment which I had done several times before. The difference was slight, and I did not pay much attention to my surroundings but went with her to the van location to be picked up. To my surprise, there were several vans. In my universe, there are two or three that day the beginning of my adventure, there were nine vans awaiting us to go. I started seeing things differently a pizza place I normally frequently was freshly painted, but not fresh paint. Meaning the colors were different. We got to the hospital and to my surprise where I normally sit in the dark without anyone. Surrounding me was full. And evidently this place was the maternity wing where in my universe, this was the waiting section for part of the hospital where people awaited being called upstairs. However, in that universe, there were lines. This was unexpected and only retrospect. Can I speak of this. My mind did not grasp what was happening until three days after this trip to the hospital. My mother in law’s chemo was an extra hour longer, for some reason, and I went outside to where I normally sneak a cookie wafer. To my surprise the price from Wednesday to Friday went down 50 centavos. For those that do not know Bolivia, a BS is worth roughly 13 cents. And being disabled and on a budget, saving 7 cents was interesting. I had to ask and double check with the lady because I was a bit disturbed at the pricing difference. When my mother in law was done we got out to the street to catch a taxi to the front of the US embassy in La Paz, Bolivia. This was where I knew something was up. My mother in law was new to this location as well as me. We argued with the taxi drivers of four taxis. You see on Wednesday the cost was 10 BS to our next stop, but the first three demanded 15 BS and finally my mother in law gave in and paid it. I asked her what she normally pays, and she said 5 BS. That is when I thought, I was crazy for a moment. Upon arriving at the front of the embassy. Instead of the broad window that showed, we did not fear anyone or anything. The embassy windows looked like arrow ports where the embassy was a defense fort instead of the embassy of acceptance and power. I was a bit more than a little disturbed but went for my appointment. I had been to this therapist for six visits and in walking in I was more than a little taken back. The furniture all the blue seats were now red. You would say who cares or so what she got new furniture. No and this is the wild part, there was a scratch on a table with the same fabric as the seats. You say so what that scratch was there before, and tears right into the fabricate just like my universe but instead of a dark blue, the color was red. I was silent and just watched what I said and what I did. I got home that night from three appointments and went to go to my bed. I mentioned some of the changes and my wife. Thought fumes from a new floor wax was the problem and moved me into my kid’s room while my kid moved into a different room. That is where this story becomes even odder and such. I pay attention to small stuff due to worrying about my eyesight and where I might have left something. That night my kids Precious moments framed cartoon was three feet from a door and high as my head. The next morning, I had lost my eyesight in my left eye, and the precious moment painting was at present at my waist height and from where the old spot would have been at 8 55 position it now was at a 435 position. Meaning in the night someone either went into my room and rearranged everything, or I was someone else. I did not understand it then nor for some time later, but I was moving between multiverses. That day I thought I was nuts. For the next few weeks which turned to current date, I was transferred each night around 1 AM to a new location. I have seen from my baseline world things; I can remember the following. Sketchers the name for a shoe branding for stretching goes to Skechers. I have seen Bernie Sanders win Kentucky in the primary. I have seen the Republican Party convention move from July 7th through July 10th to July 18th through July 21st. I have seen BREXIT UK stay within the EU on a Tuesday vote EU 56 percent to leave 44 and then I have seen the UK leave at 51 percent and EU stay loss at 49 percent. I have seen the word racist used for both staying and leaving the EU. After a while, I stopped watching news because I was a bit more upset, then I could handle at a time. I tried to talk with people, and only a Navy commander would write back, and he told me that I was on drugs Lord if I could be on drugs that would make this trip worthwhile. I started to look for different answers to my problem. I found several new ideas on math. Rainbow universe, which means there was no big bang that started all this. I found Montauk project, which being a conspiracy theorist in my universe was both fresh to me. I found universes where people names and emails were no so private, and I asked several cosmetologist and mathematicians what was going on. No one seemed to care. My navy friend stopped talking to me when I told him Nepolean was spelled differently which he said Napoleon was spelled always that way. That is just the start of my search. I started to go back and ask certain things and discovered that both my daughters had experienced the same unique experience having been somewhere and then awaking in a new place. My oldest her time travel lasted from November through December. She told me her mom told her to just let it go. My youngest is still traveling her personality is such that only a person who knows her can see her change from a caring kid to a somewhat selfish kid to a genius at times. As for myself, my last night’s trip was to watch Wreck it Ralph. Instead of Penalope being the princesses, they call her Vanillepe and guess what there is a Wreck it Ralph part II in that universe. Wild.. All this brings me down to my search for the cause of this. In my professional career, I was a scheduler and used Monte Carlo simulations. After 54 days of travels, I came upon something that all three of the people I know used and was differently set up. Google connected their Dwave computer onto Minecraft. They had allowed someone to hack or ask a quantum computer a question which instead of using just their world or universe, they used the word all command. That little mistake if math holds correct changed 100,000 people’s minds in the multiverse. If you have not guessed, it my body is elsewhere but my mind is trying to get back home. The question which was asked had something to deal with stories. The answer they got was good, but then they said this. Put everything back at 100 percent. For those that do not work Monte Carlo simulations, 100 percent and the word EXACT are two different concepts. Meaning there are outliners in ever simulations that you have to manually re-enter the outliner or what is known as the butterfly effect occurs. Meaning the outliner is used but placed not in the same place, time, nor location. You ask what is the difference between place and location. A place is, for example, a Pizza Hut, while a location is geographical location. Without knowing the baseline whomever said 100 percent to a computer does not understand that in an infinite computer that there is a rounding error usually unseen after a certain number of computer simulations. Example in using MS Project 98 if an hourly wage is used with seconds, minutes, hours, and days with an estimate of three million dollars, or more you could expect costs to be off by 43 dollars due to some time being either added or subtracted depending on the usage of minutes versus hours. The same with location of a place. I tracked the mountain illuminati and New Zealand, Japan, etc and realized certain locations did not change but places where I was had. Meaning I could normally see Illumnati at my breakfast table turning my head. I can no longer see illuminati, unless I go outside and sit in a park bench. For the first few weeks, I tracked the mountain and was wildly crazy about seeing it move. Until I discovered it was my location that had moved. Today is July 14th land the changes I realized from yesterday are. The fence had 19 metal bars painted red to get to green bar and today; There are only 17 red bars to the green bar. What is the meaning of this story? There is multiverse is all I can say at present. And my research is pointing that somehow my travels and adventures are related to D wave computing and Google. https://cosmofunnel.com/stories/reptiles-parallel-universe-travels-no-diety-discovered-issues-with-other-life-questions-in

diary what I saw today which is impossible

CLINTON SIEGLE·SATURDAY, JULY 30, 20161 Read

So today walk in the multiverse. 1. I can see my mountain. Three days ago on Wednesday I had to walk to the telefairco and get on it and ride it to the top of another hill mountain to see it. Today I went to my local cookie store and there it was. 2. This world is richer than mine. China motor, ITT, and a few companies do not have the power in my world. Meaning I saw five China motor vans. In my world China Motor is not considered of value and the motors do not work well in mountain areas thus no one buys them it is all toyato or nissans. Surprising I am seeing ford here. This is a turn about route I think I have been here before but not sure. The dogs I visit at the library garden are different. I ustually have three of them and today there was only two plus a new one that looked like it had fallen right out of the dryer but still dirty. Wife is mad at me guess whomever was here yesterday forgot to tell her something. What else. Ah a parade I am going to see a parade. If I am totally blown away I shall share photos. Cosmofunnel is blocking me now. I have no where to write a journal. I wrote 11 math professors nothing, written a rabbi he is still thinking what to say to me. Wrote two scienfication writer Ron Hubberard followers and they are the only ones writing me back. My personal friend has given up on me. The advise I was given was to breath. quiet room. I do not think they understand I am alone much of the day quiet except writing and a computer which I have had to get a different one due to the old one being broken. The world is a strange place but I have some speculations. Minecraft was hooked up to DWave quantum computer CERN hit the delete file of a multiverse brain and or my little kid is a genius. Either way I am still traveling and realize I might get back to my home planet. Wild. Multiverse true. Rainbow Universe true

parade

CLINTON SIEGLE·SATURDAY, JULY 30, 20161 Read

on a trip

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Clinton Siegle22 June 2016, 05:57

6 22 Finding things differently - one there is a chance reptiles are going to replace humanity. Two there is a God per diety that we worship. Three change is not what I would expect - ie there is a brain holding each universe in a game pattern that can not be broken in most cases. ie money, accounts, bills, lost opportunities, seem similar enough. Four personsalities.. they change along with shifting earth.. The butterfly affect is truly amazing to watch. I thought the mountain moved. Then I started paying attention to where I was and realized my location shifted even if I was in the same house. Meaning earth shifts moutains etc tend to stay the same. Fifth shifting to other people reality is not as scary as it was for a while. I am tired of being scared and being yelled at.. life if there is a soul which I believe there might be is teaching me something.. if I learn it I will pass it on. Reply

Clinton Siegle22 June 2016, 14:14

Clinton Siegle Jun 13 (9 days ago)to orgoneproducts1, skybooksThis message has been deleted. Restore messageDear Mr. Moon, Mr Preston B. Nichols,I am writing to you because I can find you on the internet.Since 5.20 I have been traveling to different people’s realities is the best to explain.Locations, braning of products, colors, sounds, taste and personalities all have changed several times along with my feelings towards this adventure.I am wondering my eyesight is getting better ere but worst for the guy tat was me today. What and how do I get back to my timeframe?Also can I sue CERN for these affects to my life meaning I have discovered a few things that I make me going home a question that I am unsure how to reflect on.https://cosmofunnel.com/stories/a-d... Remember I am blind in one eye and typing this with size 350 font so if some words are wrong I apolgieis.Tank you and hopefully you will respongSky BooksJun 13 (9 days ago)to meThis message has been deleted. Restore messageSorry, but we do not have such time capabilities.Only thing I could suggest would be getting grounded in the reality you are experiencing.Suggestion: CONTROL YOUR BREATH = CONTROL YOUR LIFEBest,PeterNEW VIDEOS JUST RELEASED: Learn the science of time travel in Peter Moon’s brand new and easy to understand videos “Time Travel Explained”. To sign up: up: http://zeqyedx3.megaph.com/Clinton Siegle Jun 13 (9 days ago)to SkyThis message has been deleted. Restore messagePeter,Have you read what I have been going through?I am not enjoying this stop at all.You say focus and breath.I am more interested in the computer simulation set up in 1950s that was supposedly working for Dr. John Von Neumann.Since 57 the program should be easy to duplicate in todays world. Any ideas on who to ask and how to get out of here?Thanks,ClintonSky BooksJun 13 (9 days ago)to meThis message has been deleted. Restore messageYou might find the same or a similar situation if you were indeed able to escape.This is why life presents us challenges.Try breathing......it is the basis of life.....Clinton Siegle Jun 14 (8 days ago)to SkyThis message has been deleted. Restore messageMarina von Neumann Whitman has a computer from her father some place.I am more of a practical person.Clinton Siegle Jun 15 (7 days ago)to SkyThis message has been deleted. Restore messageBut according to the interview he is or was a consultant in 1989.I know he died in 1956. But according to the article the person speaking saw him as late as 1989.Clinton Siegle Jun 15 (7 days ago)to SkyThis message has been deleted. Restore messageI am a bit more personal.She messaged me from Spain on facebook.I do not know her personally.The wildness here is the email access.Three days ago I had never heard of Dr. von Neumann.Three days ago I had never heard of you nor any additional project outside of ^Philadelphia the Montauk Project is something new to my timeline.In my timeline the Mandela Effect showed up as a google date 5 16 on 5 20 when I realized something is up I was number 402 viewing some guy talking about changes etc.Meaning Mr. Books the world I came up in both Mandela and Montauk was or were not part of it. Meaning I am what they considered a conspiracy nut and would have known of you or Preston Nichols. My world Santiago, Chile is right under San Francisco 11 hours by some airlines and 9.5 hours by others.My world there is no two New Zealand island it is one island.Japan is south of South Korean there is no Japan Sea.The world is strange and marvalous but at times I must accept where I am at. The difference how nutty your politics is. Clinton Siegle Jun 15 (7 days ago)to SkyThis message has been deleted. Restore messageYou know worlds change - I recognized finally a name. Pruitt - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshua-... my timeline he was boss https://cosmofunnel.com/stories/men... Siegle

Clinton Siegle22 June 2016, 19:16

Hot Big Bang :In the 1930′s it was discovered by Edwin Hubble that all galaxies have a positive redshift. In other words, all galaxies were receding from the Milky Way. By the Copernican principle, we deduce that all galaxies are receding from each other, or we live in a dynamic, expanding Universe. The expansion of the Universe is described by a very simple equation called Hubble’s law; the velocity of the recession of a galaxy is equal to a constant times its distance (v=Hd). Where the constant is called Hubble’s constant and relates distance to velocity in units of light-years.The discovery of an expanding Universe implies the obvious, that the Universe must have an initial starting point, a Creation. A point in the past when the radius of the Universe was zero. Since all the matter in the Universe must have been condensed in a small region, along with all its energy, this moment of Creation is referred to as the Big Bang.A common question that is asked when considering a Creation point in time is ``What is before the Big Bang?″. This type is question is meaningless or without context. For example, it is similar to asking ``What is north of the North Pole?″. The question itself can not be phrased in a meaningful way.Four main pieces of scientific evidence support the Big Bang theory:Olber’s paradoxexpanding Universe (Hubble’s law)chemical abundances of light elementscosmic microwave backgroundThe Big Bang theory has been supported by numerous observations and, regardless of our final theories of the Universe, remains the core element to our understanding of the past. Note that a Creation point automatically implies two things: 1) the Universe has a finite age (about 15 billion years) and 2) the Universe has a finite size.Geometry of the Universe :How can the Universe be finite in size? What is ``outside″ the Universe? The answer to both these questions involves a discussion of the intrinsic geometry of the Universe.There are basically three possible shapes to the Universe; a flat Universe (Euclidean or zero curvature), a spherical or closed Universe (positive curvature) or a hyperbolic or open Universe (negative curvature). Note that this curvature is similar to spacetime curvature due to masses, like stars, in that the entire mass of the Universe determines the curvature.All three geometries are classes of what is called Riemannian geometry, based on three possible states for parallel linesnever meeting (flat or Euclidean)must cross (spherical)always divergent (hyperbolic)or one can think of triangles where for a flat Universe the angles of a triangle sum to 180 degrees, in a closed Universe the sum must be greater than 180, in an open Universe the sum must be less than 180.Its important to remember that the above images are 2D shadows of 3D space, it is impossible to draw the geometry of the Universe, it can only be described by mathematics. All possible Universes are finite since there is only a finite age and, therefore, a limiting horizon. The geometry may be flat or open, and therefore infinite, but the amount of mass and time in our Universe is finite.Density of the Universe:The description of the various geometries of the Universe (open, closed, flat) also relate to their futures. There are two possible futures for our Universe, continual expansion (open and flat), turn-around and collapse (closed). Note that flat is the specific case of expansion to zero velocity.The key factor that determines which history is correct is the amount of mass/gravity for the Universe as a whole. If there is sufficient mass, then the expansion of the Universe will be slowed to the point of stopping, then retraction to collapse. If there is not a sufficient amount of mass, then the Universe will expand forever without stopping. The flat Universe is one where there is exactly the balance of mass to slow the expansion to zero, but not for collapse.The parameter that is used to measure the mass of the Universe is the critical density, Omega. Omega is usually expressed as the ratio of the mean density observed to that of the density in a flat Universe.Given all the range of values for the mean density of the Universe, it is strangely close to the density of a flat Universe. And our theories of the early Universe (see inflation) strongly suggest the value of Omega should be exactly equal to one. If so our measurements of the density by galaxy counts or dynamics are grossly in error and remains one of the key problems for modern astrophysics.Birth of the Universe :Physics of the early Universe is at the boundary of astronomy and philosophy since we do not currently have a complete theory that unifies all the fundamental forces of Nature at the moment of Creation. Thus, there is no possibility of linking observation or experimentation of early Universe physics to our theories (i.e. its not possible to `build’ another Universe) and, thus, our theories are rejected or accepted based on simplicity and aesthetic grounds rather than an appeal to empirical results. This is a very difference way of doing science from centuries.Our physics can explain most of the evolutio