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Nothing will destroy your life more than a bad marriage. /u/IslandicFreedom
/r/MGTOW 5 hours agoI'm 40 now and when people say "Life is short", that's not me. No, if anything my life feels like 20 Lord of the ring trilogies, full of adventures, segas, plot twists, extended tangents, and spice.
After all of this living, the one true regret I have is getting involved with the wrong woman, marrying her, not only wasting 10 years of my life, but the fallout from those 10 years.
One doesn't spend 10 years in prison without massive consequence.
My dad had this analogy for describing eternity. Imagine a bird flying around a diamond the size of the earth, every time it circled it swiped its beak left on the diamond, then right on the diamond, then circled again. The time it took to wear out the diamond is eternity.
Marriage (or a bad one) will destroy your soul quicker than this, but it isn't instant. They say water can cut through steel, a dripping tap over time burrow through hard rock. And this is what it's lke. No matter how strong you think you are, no matter how much will power you have, no matter how happy you are, or how motivated you are. Slowly it will destroy you. Like that dripping tap. The onslaught is constant, relentless and steady.
The dynamics are not hard to explain. There's You with all your ambitions and ideas and then there is her with her view on the world and how it should be.
There's no such thing as equality or a democracy. In every relationship, one party is the dominant one. Small secret, it mostly isn't the man.
So ultimately your expectations might be sex, companionship and support. Her expectations aren't what you think. Not in my experience. See being the financial provider doesn't mean you get to run with your vision. In my case it meant I got to pay for her vision. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Unlike some of the younger crowd on here. I wasn't raised in a feminist society or a cucked nation. When I was a kid (in South Africa) the men mostly had the shit in hand. The man was the head of the household and the woman should submit to her husband. There was nothing strange about this. This is the way shit was.
So it baffles my little fucking mind, how fast things can change to be not slightly different, but what now seems like a total fuckup of a society, utterly foreign to the way I was raised. And another thing. I've moved around, so where I stay now, the society I was raised in would be considered misogynistic by European standards.
And it was this post feminist society I got married into. No you don't realise it, because the women aren't all running around screaming feminism. Only a very small minority of women even identify as feminists. Yet for the one that don't their expectations are already set, based on what they deem to be normal, and this is what feminists have created.
It sure as shit isn't equality.
Overtime living outside of what you consider to be right and fair. To live as if you have had your balls cut off, without respect from your spouse. To be considered nothing more than a utility. To be lower in her eyes than her family, maybe her friends, maybe her work.
But far worse - to stick it out. Like I did, for around a full decade. While you may not be asking for permission to take a shit, have a look around you, consider married men, who's really making their decisions for them?
The most obvious shit. Consider the names of married peoples children. Who the fuck do you think 90% of the time has the final say - Obviously the woman. Now consider basic shit like a grocery list? Who's in control of that? What cars they drive? Where they go to on holiday? Who's parents they're closer to? Which friends they ultimately hang out with? Who the fuck do you think is making most of these decisions?
All of this can be best be explained with the punish / reward system. In this scenario the man gets a score. His starting score will be -5. His goal in life is to keep his score above 7. Anything less and that bitch starts screaming / withholding sex / threatening divorce / acting like a total cunt. She's the one keeping score - remember that
Because the man started with a lower score. He has to put in a tremendous effort just to break even. None of these things however get him past a score of 5. These normal things are expected of him. Things like waking up and going to work and paying the bills. That alone won't get your dick sucked.
So in the game of control. The man who is lower on score, needs to generate score. And mostly he does this by handing over decision making. This temporarily raises his score and puts him in the safe zone. Now he gets some pussy at night and he is somewhat sure she isn't out sucking some other guys cock. And yet this means he's training her to expect this. So he keeps doing this, because score cannot be sucked out of thin air, and to many men handing over power is the only way to keep his score in the safe zone.
Sound like fun? It was like this in my marriage, the bitch was planning a full year in advance when we would take holiday and to where. While grocery shopping. She would put back shit I put in the trolley, and replace it with brands she preferred. The house we bought, the location - ultimately she had the final say. And if I look back over those 10 years, what it comes down to is - Most things got passed by her, for her approval. Like she was my manager.
And if you think I'm some cuck and the exception. No. A small example is my one blue pill "friend". He lives in an area where finding work is hard. And yet recently him and his bitch bought a house in this area. He ultimately could have bought in an area where there were more jobs, but HELLO why that exact area? Because her family lives there. The fucker tried to spin it off to me like it was his decision. Like he was happy about it. And that's the thing. If I wasn't MGTOW, and had been married before and gone through that shit. I would not even be thinking about it. I would just assume he was in control - But for all his bullshit talk -> She made that choice for both of them. Who do you think is paying for it? She has some part time counter clerk job. And let me tell you, that little cunt acts all superior.
So to cut a long story short. Marriage is about taking about your autonomy, this over time really leaves you questioning your confidence and abilities, and eventually you'll just succumb to being a cuck and hate yourself which leads to all kinds of shit like suicide, depression and apathy towards life.
submitted by /u/IslandicFreedom
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Alright gentlemen, it's come to the point where we need to have a chat. This is going to be a long post, but it will be worth the read. Just a few quick points about myself, so you all know where I am coming from.
I have been subbed here since late 2014, when we at just around 2k followers, mostly lurking. Absorbing our thoughts, stories, and experiences when dealing with the opposite sex and white knights, ect ect. I have been burned multiple times, as have many of you, and sought out help or others who have dealt with the same issues. Words can not express how happy I am to have found this sub, to just know that others feel the same way.
On the same note, the rate that we are growing is astounding, and I am absolutely -thrilled that in just a few short years, we have gone from the low 2k subs, to in the top 5000 subreddits, to now almost 30,000 subscribers!
Now, onto the main post. With the influx of new people I feel there needs to be a "reminder" of what MGTOW is. Coming from this very good post that u/MGTOWJayJayposted a year ago. Here he makes a lot of extremely valid points, and you should absolutely check it out. I feel his first point has gotten a little diluted with the new subscribers however.
1) MGTOW is more of a philosophy on how to live life instead of a movement.
MGTOW is not meant for bashing women, that is just part of the anger phase. "Bashing" for lack of a better term, is acceptable when taking an analytical and logical look / discussion about merely today's women's behaviors, social tenancies, and societal advantages, and coming to the conclusion that "Going our own way" is the right thing. Not just bashing for the sake of bashing because your mad.
Based on the many posts the last few months, i've oticed the influx of new subscribers are going through the motions of what can be compared to Elizabeth Kubler-Ross's five phases of grief: Denial, Bargaining, Anger, Depression, Acceptance.
This is absolutely normal, nothing to be ashamed about. I myself have gone through the entire process as well.
I am going to be quoting from this post because it encapulates all that I am planning to say here (if a little crudely).
Denial and Bargaining, in my book, are typical of the blue-pill majority. Most men deny there's a problem, accept Femspeak for 'truth,' defend the Cupcake/Cuntcake legions of feral-bitch girls, and march off willingly into the maw of the fem-beast. Or they try to bargain with the skanks and dance to their tune, like the Average Frustrated Chumps trying to make themselves over into PUAs à la Mystery (or should that be Messtery by now?)
This is very well written, pre-mgtow mindset. I feel the majority of people are here before coming to this sub. The fact that they have actively sought out and subscribed to the subreddit means they know something is going on, and are looking into it. They have moved past this stage.
Anger Gawd-a'-mighty, don't we see anger all the time? And can we really blame someone who got blind-sided by his own Little Lovey-Dovey who goes vicious over some petty disappointment and turns the power of the Injustice System against him? He gets dragged off in cuffs by the Boys In Blue, while the kids (notice I'm not saying 'his kids,' even if they were conceived after he put the ring on Lovey-Dovey's finger and she put the ring in his nose) watch in their jammies, blinking back their tears, maybe with Mommy hugging them close with their faces buried in her shoulders so they can't see her spiteful smile. He gets turned out on the streets, and he's still responsible for the mortgage and the car payments and the credit-card bills. The System chews him up and spits him out, and Dovey laughs to see it, while 'Uncle Thugley' plays daddy to the kids and rides Dovey off into the sunset ... can you blame the victim, the poor bloke, for his anger? I can't!
This is where most people are in the timeline and I would say with all the new subs, is where the majority of the subreddit is at right now, at least 60%. Your anger is justified but we can not stay in this mindset. It never ends well, and it wont be any different for you. Do what you have to do, to work through this stage, but know IT WILL PASS. I have found that searching for the Top, All time posts on this page and r/TheRedPill, has helped me as there are some great posters out there who share their experiences and how they moved passed this stage.
Depression When the Anger burns out, often it leaves one in Depression. This, to me, is your typical "poor, poor victim of the System," or the firebrand who's simply too frustrated about trying to whip up support for the Cause. You don't 'have' to get to Depression by way of Anger, but many of us do.
This is the part that concerns me. Not just on this subreddit, but in real life as well. I have multiple people from my highschool graduation class that are taking hard medication and working through severe depression (some on their 2nd failing marriage). There are posts on TRP, MGTOW, and a few others that I have seen where people are contemplating suicide more and more often. This is absolutely devastating to see, and even more so to hear when someone has made the choice to end it. If you are in this stage, know that we care. There are resources, and people that can help if the issue gets especially bad. In no way is this post meant to stop ANYONE from asking for help, guidance, or even just to talk.
If you need help this is an entire list of resources, as well as this sub, and myself personally. Feel free to PM me at any time.
Acceptance, of course, in our terms, is the recognition that AWALT, or EWALT (Enough Women Are Like That) ... and, more importantly, that Society Is Like That. I think it includes the recognition that you have to save yourself - you can't depend on Society to help you, there's really no one to turn to, the best we can give you is a friendly place to vent and our own hopefully-helpful advice. It's up to each of us to re-structure our lives, so we can get on with living - day by day, unless and until you can start building on your own vision of your future.
I'd like to advance the notion that, perhaps, one of the most valuable things we can do in this forum is to remind our new friends that there is a way out of the maze - and to raise whatever sign-posts we can to point to the Grand Egress.
Once again, this is purely a reminder. This is in no way to discourage discussion, posting, or anything of the sort on this sub. Please check out JayJay's post, it goes further into detail and is extremely worth the read.
I want to thank you all for reading, and look forward to watching the decline with you all!
33 Comments 70 Best Write a comment UncleDisgusting • 3h
A very good read, and I would also recommend everyone check out u/MGTOWJayJay's aforementioned post.
One thing that strikes me are the attitudes of outsiders regarding MGTOW: "How dare you opt out of any further relationships! Man up!" Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how uncomplicated and stress-free my life has become.
11 uhnwi • 1h
Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how uncomplicated and stress-free my life has become.
Sorry, I am 100% stealing this; too fucking funny and perfect.
3 FMIV • 4m
Miserable people want you to be miserable too.
● Hans_Klopeks_Beard • 4h
MGTOW is more of a philosophy on how to live life
Indeed. A MGTao of sorts.
9 -Luthe- • 2h
Mind = blown
3 Sorensofos • 2h
I dont agree with not bashing women. I dont agree at all. To focus on that would be useless, but not to bash entirely? I dont see this. Many MGTOW youtubers wouldn´t as well. anyway.
7 Trek13 • 1h
bashing women is just part of the anger phase. It settles down over time but never completely goes away. At least now when I "bash" women (and the system) I don't feel any anger, I simply do it based on observations and facts, not out of malice.
2 Sorensofos • 1h
don't feel any anger, I simply do it based on observations and facts, not out of malice.
Yeah, but if you cant "bash women" here or anywhere else... isnt it becoming matrix-like? I say leave people who want to bash them bash them.
3 L33TPWNERS • 36m
I think this was what I was trying to express, but I couldn't figure out how to word it. Thank you, I am going to edit the post and add this.
1 hiper4 • 4h
"MGTOW is not meant for bashing women"
Of course MGTOW is also a place to bash women. Quit trying to steer this ship. We just threw off the female captain and we don't need any other person taking the helm. The waves will guide us from now on.
19 tribalbandit • 3h
Was thinking the same. I could tell from the title it was time for the weekly quit discussing how you got fucked over, still getting fucked over by corporate and legal America (or whatever country you live in) and don't like it lecture.
9 lipidsly • 2h
Theres an argument for making it clear thats not exclusively what mgtow is for, but anyone that thinks it is can fuck off
1 L33TPWNERS • 30m
Again, I am not trying to discourage anyone from sharing their stories or experiences in anyway, as they have helped me come to the conclusion myself.
1 Fearless_Ser • 59m
I will bash women as much as I bash humans & society in general.
Why?
They all suck and every person with functional brain and common sense knows that.
2 GnosticHamster • 59m
agreed, its ok to bash women here, not with anger, but to make fun of them. Why? Because we live in a society that treats them like goddesess, like superhuman beings, and that bashes men all the time...
Just take a look at reddit, full of subs made for betas to worship females of all shapes and sizes... Its ok to have at least ONE place where we can make fun of them.
2 L33TPWNERS • 28m
not with anger, but to make fun of them.
This more then anything, just the fact that we now have the ability to step back and realize its fucked and we can discuss that, and why GYOW is better then the former.
1 AR96 • 2h
We had a female mod?!?!
3 -Luthe- • 2h
irl
2 gradchad • 1h
No, OP was talking metaphorically.
2 Im_Justin_Cider • 1h
You can make it that if you wish, I suppose. But you will soon learn that there are better things to spend your energy on, and once you're out of the anger phase it's a little jarring to constantly read the musings of those still in it.
Perhaps we need our own post anger mgtow sub
1 Life_advice_me • 8h
Thanks for this.
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5 L33TPWNERS • 8h
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5 ACertainKindOfFool • 2h
MGTOW is not meant for bashing women. MGTOW is for taking an analytical and logical look / discussion about merely today's women's behaviors, social tenancies, and societal advantages and coming to the conclusion that "Going our own way" is the right thing to do.
This really should be stressed. Female nature is exactly that: nature. It merely is what it is. Only a fool condemns a sheep for engaging in sheeplike behavior and tells it to behave like a lion.
3 MisterDorimant • 2h
Only a fool condemns sheep
A certain kind of fool?
1 ACertainKindOfFool • 4m
Certainly not this kind of fool
● TheWise_One • 1h
For me MGTOW has always been an idea and a lifestyle. Movements have an agenda that serves only a few.
Also pointing woman's double standards , their bullshit and the vile nature of theirs is not bashing at all. The more we call them out on their bullshit the better it's going to get for everyone.
Woman can't be trusted no matter how NAWALT they seem.
2 knxguy • 56m
Tell me to not talk shit about women. Just makes me want to do it more...
2 CodenameDaniel • 2h
Ty for this great post
1 gradchad • 1h
As darkness is the absence of light, in MGTOW should be absence of women. At least in this subreddit.
1 FMIV • 6m
Good read. I especially like the first point. As of late I think this point is lost on a lot of people both MGTOWs and blue pillers.
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